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Monday, September 8, 2008
Reunion 2009
Here are some particulars on the CLAUDIUS AND ROSE TOLMAN Reunion for 2009. Everyone really appreciated the hospitality of Vance, Bryce, Jay, Mark, and all at The Lake in 2006. That was the best! Not to take undue advantage of their generosity we scheduled the Sunrise P River Ranch on the Snake River in Rupert, Idaho for the 2009 reunion on July 17, 18, 19, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. In at 11:00 a.m. on the 17th and out at 10:30 a.m. on the 19th. Chuck and Lori and Sharon and Tim and families have been there with youth groups and liked it. The Vaughans held a reunion there in 2008, which we really enjoyed. We are easily entertained. Getting together is enough.
Below are a map and pictures. Ask questions and we will do our best.
Water slide into the river was a hit. I don't get this blog. You write it from the bottom up apparently. I try to put these pictures in after what I wrote but they come in front. If I had all day I guess I would figure it out and "get it". For now I copied and pasted it in front.
Below are a map and pictures. Ask questions and we will do our best.
Water slide into the river was a hit. I don't get this blog. You write it from the bottom up apparently. I try to put these pictures in after what I wrote but they come in front. If I had all day I guess I would figure it out and "get it". For now I copied and pasted it in front. 
Water Frisbee. The big guy on the left is the owner of the ranch. Apparently I have lost that picture. Above is the log roll and the kereoke barn in the background. We had fun at the kereoke. You just yell around like the pop singers do nowdays. We older people haven't done everything right but we didn't take the melody out of music and accept yelling as singing.
You can make comments below but don't be too mean, please.
Saturday, July 19, 2008
This quote from Matt's blog: "I believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. I believe this for a number of reasons, not least of which is that it has many authors spanning thousands of years. Through those thousands of years, not one word of the Bible contradicts another. All is in perfect unison. A writing of that great scope with perfect synergy can, to me, only be explained by the involvement of a supernatural being. God had His hand in it. It is God's instruction booklet to us."
I, too, love the Bible. In my opinion there are a few exceptions to the "not one word of the Bible contradicts another."
Genesis 19:8 doesn't seem consistent with the rest of the Bible teachings.
Exodus 4:21; 7:3, 13; 9:12; 10:1, 20, 27; 11:10, 14:4, 8,17; Deuteronomy 2:30. The Lord is responsible for hardening hearts?, or do people harden their own hearts? I Samuel 16;14-16, 23. Did the Lord really send evil spirits to Saul?? If so, does he send them to us, also?
I Kings 3:14 And if thou wilt walk in my ways to keep my statutes, and my commandments, as thy father, David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days, and thou shalt not walk in unrighteousness, as did thy father David.
Also see 1 Kings 11:4[The Lord telling Solomon his heart was not perfect as was the heart of David, his father. And verse 6,Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord as did David, his father. 33 The prophet Ahijah telling Jeroboam ten tribes will be taken from Solomon and given to Jeroboam because Solomon has “not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.”
I Kings 14:8 Foretelling of the ruin of Jeroboam's kingdom “And rent the kingdom away from the house of David and gave it thee, and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments and who followed me with all his heart to do that only which was right in mine eyes.
[As much as we Bible lovers and David admirers would like to think David didn't commit the unpardonable sin of arranging the murder of Uriah, he did. He did not keep the Lord's commandments and follow him with all his heart and do only that which was right. These verses are great contradictions to the consistency and justice of God.]
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent
Jeremiah 26:13 & Amos 7:;3, 6 all say the Lord repents [contradictory – An all- knowing, all powerful God needs not to repent.]
Moving to the New Testament
After Jesus' baptism he went into the wilderness fasting and praying to be with His Father, I believe, to prepare for his ministry. Matt4:l says he went to be tempted of the devil. Matt 4:5,6,8,9 gives the devil credit for taking Jesus on a high mountain and to the pinnacle of the temple. I don't think that is consistent with Jesus' power. He was the Creator of the world,(John 1) the Savior of the world, as we know.
Matt 6:[the Lord's prayer] 13: And lead us not into temptation. [The Lord does not lead us into temptation.]
I believe Satan was very busy during the great apostasy and before the printing press when scribes were manually copying manuscripts that became the Bible. I think there are a few inconsistencies in the Bible. I know of no inconsistencies in the Book of Mormon, which also was written by many prophets over a thousand year period.
Great Quantities of arrowheads and bones have been found in New York
Quote from Why I Believe by George Edward Clark
According to the Book of Mormon the last great battle between the Nephites and Lamanites, culminating in almost the total destruction of the Nephites, took place at the Hill Cumorah which is located in the northern part of the state of New York.
The pre-Columbian peoples of this hemisphere had no firearms of shot and shell, but only the bow and arrow and the spear; therefore, if the Book of Mormon is a true and inspired record of those peoples, and a battle of such magnitude had been fought on and around the hill Cumorah, there should be great quantities of arrowheads in that area.
About one hundred years after Joseph Smith obtained the N4phite record from that hill, the Church purchased the hill and the whole farm of which it is a part and placed a Mr. Bean in charge, who farmed the land. Mr. Bean's plow turned up so many arrowheads that he displayed them by the basketful and sold them to tourists as souvenirs. Arrowheads in such quantity, in so small an area certainly indicate that a battle of unusual proportions had been fought there. . . .
There are great bone pits or burial grounds of various sizes in the western part of the state of New York. One of these pits in Niagara County , according to E.G. Squire (Antiquities of New York), was estimated to contain several thousand skeletons, in some of which arrowheads may still be seen sticking in the bones. The historian Christopher Morgan tells us of the remains of a formidable fort with trenches ten feel wide not far from Lake Ontario.
Another evidence of the Book of Mormon
"And it came to Pass" - occurs in the English translation of the BofM 1,381 times. It is found in all books except Moroni. Sometimes the phrase is recorded "Now it came to Pass" or "For Behold it came to pass" or "But Behold, it came to pass". or "and it shall come to pass."
The phrase is not unique to the BofM, the Bible utilizes the phrase or one of its derivatives, 526 times in the Old Testament and 87 times in the New Testament. This supports the fact that this phrase "and it came to pass" is Hebrew in origin and correlates with Nephi's statement, "Yea, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians."
Apparently, the Maya people, who lived in Southeast Mexico and Guatemala, may have adopted the phrase "and it came to pass." Recent discoveries in the translations of the glyphs of the 7th Century AD Maya ruins of Palenque manifest the phrase "and then it came to pass" and "it had come to pass." Recently, another glyph has been interpreted as "and it shall come to pass."
In 1985, a Mayanist scholar, David Stuart, observed that the (Anterior Date Indicator) ADI and (Posterior Date Indicator) PDI named by Eric Thompson functioned as a grammatical and literary feature in both colonial and modern Maya languages. He speculated correctly when he interpreted the sound of the glyph as "Ut" in the Chol language and "Utchi" in the Maya language, meaning "to happen, or to come to pass." (Schele 1987:26)
Two years earlier, John Justeson and Will Norman found a consistency in an event indicator that appear as the word "IWAL," which means the action is ongoing at the time, such as "and" or "and then." Together, UT-IWAL in the PDI in Maya glyphs read "and then it came to pass" or "and now it came to pass."
So, one of the things which so many have criticized in the Book of Mormon, 'comes to pass' as one of the evidences of its truthfulness.
National Geographic Magazine produced an aerial map “The Ancient Maya World” where thousands of dots show sites officially recorded by archaeological agencies of the respective governments.
The Tree of Life stone found on the pacific coast in Mexico near Guatemala. Google Tree of Life for a discussion on what different people think it might mean. Compare I Nephi Ch 8
I, too, love the Bible. In my opinion there are a few exceptions to the "not one word of the Bible contradicts another."
Genesis 19:8 doesn't seem consistent with the rest of the Bible teachings.
Exodus 4:21; 7:3, 13; 9:12; 10:1, 20, 27; 11:10, 14:4, 8,17; Deuteronomy 2:30. The Lord is responsible for hardening hearts?, or do people harden their own hearts? I Samuel 16;14-16, 23. Did the Lord really send evil spirits to Saul?? If so, does he send them to us, also?
I Kings 3:14 And if thou wilt walk in my ways to keep my statutes, and my commandments, as thy father, David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days, and thou shalt not walk in unrighteousness, as did thy father David.
Also see 1 Kings 11:4[The Lord telling Solomon his heart was not perfect as was the heart of David, his father. And verse 6,Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord as did David, his father. 33 The prophet Ahijah telling Jeroboam ten tribes will be taken from Solomon and given to Jeroboam because Solomon has “not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.”
I Kings 14:8 Foretelling of the ruin of Jeroboam's kingdom “And rent the kingdom away from the house of David and gave it thee, and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments and who followed me with all his heart to do that only which was right in mine eyes.
[As much as we Bible lovers and David admirers would like to think David didn't commit the unpardonable sin of arranging the murder of Uriah, he did. He did not keep the Lord's commandments and follow him with all his heart and do only that which was right. These verses are great contradictions to the consistency and justice of God.]
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent
Jeremiah 26:13 & Amos 7:;3, 6 all say the Lord repents [contradictory – An all- knowing, all powerful God needs not to repent.]
Moving to the New Testament
After Jesus' baptism he went into the wilderness fasting and praying to be with His Father, I believe, to prepare for his ministry. Matt4:l says he went to be tempted of the devil. Matt 4:5,6,8,9 gives the devil credit for taking Jesus on a high mountain and to the pinnacle of the temple. I don't think that is consistent with Jesus' power. He was the Creator of the world,(John 1) the Savior of the world, as we know.
Matt 6:[the Lord's prayer] 13: And lead us not into temptation. [The Lord does not lead us into temptation.]
I believe Satan was very busy during the great apostasy and before the printing press when scribes were manually copying manuscripts that became the Bible. I think there are a few inconsistencies in the Bible. I know of no inconsistencies in the Book of Mormon, which also was written by many prophets over a thousand year period.
Great Quantities of arrowheads and bones have been found in New York
Quote from Why I Believe by George Edward Clark
According to the Book of Mormon the last great battle between the Nephites and Lamanites, culminating in almost the total destruction of the Nephites, took place at the Hill Cumorah which is located in the northern part of the state of New York.
The pre-Columbian peoples of this hemisphere had no firearms of shot and shell, but only the bow and arrow and the spear; therefore, if the Book of Mormon is a true and inspired record of those peoples, and a battle of such magnitude had been fought on and around the hill Cumorah, there should be great quantities of arrowheads in that area.
About one hundred years after Joseph Smith obtained the N4phite record from that hill, the Church purchased the hill and the whole farm of which it is a part and placed a Mr. Bean in charge, who farmed the land. Mr. Bean's plow turned up so many arrowheads that he displayed them by the basketful and sold them to tourists as souvenirs. Arrowheads in such quantity, in so small an area certainly indicate that a battle of unusual proportions had been fought there. . . .
There are great bone pits or burial grounds of various sizes in the western part of the state of New York. One of these pits in Niagara County , according to E.G. Squire (Antiquities of New York), was estimated to contain several thousand skeletons, in some of which arrowheads may still be seen sticking in the bones. The historian Christopher Morgan tells us of the remains of a formidable fort with trenches ten feel wide not far from Lake Ontario.
Another evidence of the Book of Mormon
"And it came to Pass" - occurs in the English translation of the BofM 1,381 times. It is found in all books except Moroni. Sometimes the phrase is recorded "Now it came to Pass" or "For Behold it came to pass" or "But Behold, it came to pass". or "and it shall come to pass."
The phrase is not unique to the BofM, the Bible utilizes the phrase or one of its derivatives, 526 times in the Old Testament and 87 times in the New Testament. This supports the fact that this phrase "and it came to pass" is Hebrew in origin and correlates with Nephi's statement, "Yea, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians."
Apparently, the Maya people, who lived in Southeast Mexico and Guatemala, may have adopted the phrase "and it came to pass." Recent discoveries in the translations of the glyphs of the 7th Century AD Maya ruins of Palenque manifest the phrase "and then it came to pass" and "it had come to pass." Recently, another glyph has been interpreted as "and it shall come to pass."
In 1985, a Mayanist scholar, David Stuart, observed that the (Anterior Date Indicator) ADI and (Posterior Date Indicator) PDI named by Eric Thompson functioned as a grammatical and literary feature in both colonial and modern Maya languages. He speculated correctly when he interpreted the sound of the glyph as "Ut" in the Chol language and "Utchi" in the Maya language, meaning "to happen, or to come to pass." (Schele 1987:26)
Two years earlier, John Justeson and Will Norman found a consistency in an event indicator that appear as the word "IWAL," which means the action is ongoing at the time, such as "and" or "and then." Together, UT-IWAL in the PDI in Maya glyphs read "and then it came to pass" or "and now it came to pass."
So, one of the things which so many have criticized in the Book of Mormon, 'comes to pass' as one of the evidences of its truthfulness.
National Geographic Magazine produced an aerial map “The Ancient Maya World” where thousands of dots show sites officially recorded by archaeological agencies of the respective governments.
The Tree of Life stone found on the pacific coast in Mexico near Guatemala. Google Tree of Life for a discussion on what different people think it might mean. Compare I Nephi Ch 8
Friday, July 11, 2008
J. Gordon & Valmai Vaughan
This is our feeble attempt at creating a blog. This is all we have time for today. Going to Logan to the opera "Aida" with Alice.
Hope to progress in obedience to suggestions to
defend the gospel of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints
Valmai
Hope to progress in obedience to suggestions to
defend the gospel of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints
Valmai
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